Where we go when we die

No, I’m not talking about the afterlife – I mean where our bodies go after we leave them: into the ground, or into the air. I mention in Mycogenous that this approach to Dionysos is, like many others, concerned with death and dying, perhaps more so with the physical processes since fungi are such key decomposers. So while I work on my own spiritual preparations for that inevitable transition – something that plays a significant part in my relationship with the god – I also think it’s very important to make practical plans for what happens to my body (along with the disposition of various religious items, accompanying ritual and prayers, etc.).

I remain a bit surprised at how little I see this discussed in polytheist circles, all things considered. Depending on your personal situation, everyone should at the very least have their wishes set down in writing, and preferably in an official, legal format, especially if one can’t rely on next of kin to know or even abide by the proper religious steps. Better yet, you can pre-arrange and pre-pay for things, which takes all the pressure off those who will be handling it.

Death can come at any time, so this is not just an activity for the elderly, but for everyone.

I’ve gone back and forth between cremation and burial for many years. While I like the idea of an immediate release in flames, I just can’t justify the carbon footprint of modern cremation – I don’t want my last act on this earth to consume enough fuel to fill an SUV gas tank and release toxic pollution into the air. I find a lot of meaning in the idea of returning to the soil, too – but current Western burial practices are terrible for the environment as well. Fortunately there is now a green burial movement, but even these are often just designated sections in otherwise traditional cemeteries, which is not something that appeals to me (I have no desire to be crammed next to a bunch of people in the middle of a town any more when dead than when alive).

So I was very happy to discover that one of the 20 or so conservation cemeteries in the country is not far from me, and the other day I finally went on a field trip to visit it. It’s absolutely perfect (well, as good as it can get while still being legal, as you’re not allowed to just drag a body out into the middle of the woods far from all human habitation). Remote, near wetlands, surrounded by tall old pines and fairy rings of mushrooms. Here’s the view:

The graves are invisible in the woods, the bodies buried relatively shallow (since the active layer of soil is just a few feet deep), only natural stone markers allowed. Without embalming or lead-lined graves or shellacked caskets, my body will decompose quickly and return to the ecosystem, aided by insects and bacteria and, of course, fungi. It seems like the right way to lay this flesh suit to rest when I’m done with it, perfectly in keeping with my values and spiritual beliefs. I am going to start saving up now to pre-purchase interment rights, since not many are available, and I see this as a religious act in itself. I will also take this opportunity to revise and update the written instructions I already have regarding funeral rites and related issues.

Because natural burial only allows a biodegradable wrapping or container, my plan (as I mention in the book) is to procure a piece of linen for my shroud, embroider it with relevant symbols and prayers, and use it while still alive when I pray to chthonic Dionysos and contemplate my end…think of the power it will accumulate by the time it serves its ultimate purpose – between that and my tattoos, I think I will be covered in terms of communicating who I am and Who I belong to.

How are you all handling this issue? Have you researched the death and funerary practices of your tradition or your gods? Have you investigated the legalities and decided on a disposition method? Have you ensured your wishes will be followed? Have you prepared religious rituals or prayers to be said? Have you talked with your loved ones about it? What do you want done with your shrines and sacred objects?

I wish our communities were a little more robust so we could perhaps offer practical support to each other for such matters. How many of us have even one person in our lives who would be willing and able to undertake the appropriate rites on our behalf, who would understand the significance of our ritual items enough to properly allocate them to others or destroy if necessary? I can’t be the only one worried about such things.

Preparing for death – practically, spiritually, psychologically – is to my mind an absolute necessity on any religious path but especially for mystics and specialists of any kind. This life is as amazing as it is painful but regardless it is temporary, and while I certainly don’t claim to know the details of what happens next (like most things, I think it is probably far weirder than anything we can fully imagine), I am sure that something of us continues, and I am also sure that something (the body, at least) does not, and that the whole process needs to be handled properly from a religious standpoint, as much as anything we do in life. Where will you go when you die?

~ by Dver on October 22, 2023.

21 Responses to “Where we go when we die”

  1. This has been on my mind quite a lot over the last year or so, and it’s something that I’ve discussed in a few one-on-one conversations but not online… in part because I don’t really have as robust or complete answers, even as those you’ve given here.

    I remain very concerned about both parts of what you’ve mentioned: getting an appropriate funeral/disposition of my remains, and ensuring that sacred images/religious items are treated reverently and appropriately. This is, honestly, one of the biggest reasons why I’m yearning so desperately for local, in-person religious community: both so that this will be taken care of in my own case, and even more, so that I might have the privilege of providing similarly for others first. (If you or others here know anyone in western-ish Montana…)

    “Conservation cemetaries” are new to me, and something I’d like to look into, and the note about pre-paying to ensure that things go as planned is a good one. Of course, there’s still enough fluidity in my own life (as a renter, in a part of the country far from where I was raised) that there is a far-from-trivial chance that I might move again, quite far from here, before I die, and so pre-paying for anything here doesn’t make sense in my own case. Though I see how it does, for you.

    One other thing you might consider, in case you’re not already aware of it. In the state of Maine (and some others as well?? though it’s far from universal) it’s possible to designate a piece of one’s own land as a private/family cemetery, the status of which would continue even after the land passes into other human ownership, with relatives continuing to have the right to visit, etc. I’m pretty sure this is done with some paperwork at the county level. Depending on individual circumstances, that might actually give even more control/leeway with regard to exactly what happens with your body. And if the cemetery just so happens to be a particular site of ritual actions on the land while you’re alive, then the cemetery designation might also be a way of preserving that small sacred site.

    But again, lots to think about here, and thank you for the nudge to take it a bit more urgently than I have.

    • You’re right, in-person religious community would be the ideal answer, to have a group who would understand what was needed and could be relied upon. Sadly I think very few polytheists have that.

      You’re also right that it’s a factor that most of us move around quite a bit and aren’t necessarily prepared to commit to a burial place nearby when we may die decades from now in another part of the country or world. The good thing is that natural burial is a lot more affordable than most American funeral options (interment rights where I am run $1,200), and one could always set aside the money without allocating it yet, and simply keep an updated note as to where one’s current preference is. And of course, even simpler if one does choose cremation.

      Interesting idea about designating one’s land as a private cemetery. Wouldn’t really be applicable to me, as I only have an acre, it is mostly swamp, and also I have no heirs and will not likely be passing this down to anyone of like mind. But it’s definitely something for polytheists to look into! I wonder, though, if such a private cemetery would be required to abide by the more standard regulations that involve grave liners and caskets and embalming, since I know green cemeteries have to fight long battles to get approval to do things the way people have for millennia (because our country has very backward ideas about some things).

      • As far as I’m aware, no, the private cemetary is not bound by those regulations any more than the place you’ve mentioned. My authority for this is simply that I learned about this option from someone in Maine (years ago at the Common Ground Fair) who was giving guidance on how to build your own Pine coffin and have a home funeral, without the services of a professional undertaker/mortician at all. So of course, any one else reading who might want to take this option should do their own research, etc., etc., but it really does look like a genuine possibility.

        • Of course it was the Common Ground Fair, I love it! Well, definitely sounds like something worth investigating for anyone in the appropriate situation.

  2. I have known my own “where” for a long time; but the “how” is another matter.

    The “where” will be the water off of the west side of the island where I currently live (and where I was also born…though I may not live here much longer for various job-related reasons), beyond the Ninth Wave.

    Whether I will do that as cremains (that was the original plan, but given the environmental situation you mentioned, it’s being reconsidered) or, perhaps, in liquid form (which is also now an option), I will prefer there to be some fire involved during the actual deposition as well. How to make that happen will be a matter of someone knowing a bit about chemistry and such…

    As for my extensive Shrine, one of my former students, friends, co-religionists, and initiates is currently designated to take all of those things, apart from perhaps a few items that will be designated to specific other people (if they’re still alive); and depending on a few things, some might go to particular collections, archives, or museums (there are a number of ancient coins in there, for example, and a few other antique items that are multiple thousands of years old).

    But I do need to get this all in notarized writing, certainly.

    • Oh yes, there’s the newer processes like that liquidation thing, very interesting! There’s also human composting, though I think that results in quite a bit of soil to put somewhere, too much for tossing into the sea.

      That’s great that you have someone who is able to take on your shrine contents. It’s particularly useful to have someone who understands the nuances of religious objects enough to discern the best place for each thing, since it might be impossible to keep a constantly updated list of all items and what specifically you want done with them.

      If I was more socially oriented I would consider trying to start some kind of pan-polytheist organization just to provide a sort of trade of such services for each other, where people would agree to take on that responsibility for other members after death.

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  4. Honestly? I don’t think I care much about the where. I just want the proper rituals done and to not be putting in a metal box after being pumped with formaldehyde. Or cremated. I do not wish to be cremated. I want the caloric energy of my body to return to the Earth

    • Then I definitely highly recommend getting that all down in writing, and notarized, and giving copies to your next of kin. And especially, doing some research now into your options locally, as in many places both embalming and the metal box are *requirements* and you have to find a specialist in green funerals to avoid them (you can also look into Jewish funeral specialists, since Jewish practices emphasize a more natural process).

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  6. in Heathenry, our physical bodies are part of our soul matrix, the part we leave behind to the earth in thanks for all that we have been given during each life. So lifetime after lifetime, we slough off our physical shell…I like the idea of cemeteries that offer a place to go to remember the dead, but I like even better the idea of natural burial, where the land can fully reclaim our flesh. I too just want the proper rites done and then to be give back to Erda. If I had my wish, I’d have an air burial but I don’t know that this is permitted where I live.

    • If you mean a sky burial aka vultures, no it is definitely not permitted anywhere in the US. We can’t even have open cremation pyres (except for one or two private exemptions). There are a lot of really ridiculous regulations, most likely due to the funeral industry lobbying and also fucked up American values, that mean our legal options are rather limited. If you do want a natural burial, I recommend making sure that’s a possibility in your area, because it can be hard to find.

      • I didn’t realize air burial was illegal and that angers me so very much. Americans are so full of shit with their endless regulations. (it was actually the Civil War that changed how we deal with death and gave birth to the modern funeral industry — there are a couple of good books on it. still…).

    • I love this way of thinking about the physical body as the final (maybe most perfect?) gift we give to the Earth.

      Unfortunately, as I recall, New York has some of the most obnoxiously restrictive funeral laws in the country. I hope you can find the arrangements that will work for you!

      • New York is obnoxious about everything. Try getting a gun permit. They’re only getting worse. Once I’m done my schooling I’m hoping to get a job in a different state and get the hell out of here. it’s getting worse by the day. Fortunately, I do NOT live in NYC. Right now, I think that would be a nightmare. I’ve been really saddened by how much the city has changed. The only thing that would keep me here is if I got an offer from my own Uni and that’s unlikely to happen (does that EVER happen? 🙂 ). it’d be cool though.

  7. We’re donating our bodies to science, and they’ll be returned to us as cremains (although I didn’t realize the cremation environmental footprint is so high) and have a place where our kids will put our ashes (on a mountain we’ve loved to explore as a family.)
    I’ve got a friend who has agreed to say the prayers, hopefully over my actual body but over my ashes if that’s not possible.
    I’d love to have a natural burial and would pull the plug on the plans to donate my body if I could find one that was practical and we can afford. There were none nearby the last time I checked, but I’ll have to look again.

    • Definitely keep checking periodically, as green burial is becoming more of a thing in the US as time goes on. As for affordability – they are generally far less expensive than regular funerals and even cremation (though more, probably, than donating to science which I assume covers the cremation costs?). Interment rights here are $1,200, and then you pay a bit more for the actual burial contractor and if you require a funeral director to transport the body, but overall still ends up coming in around $3-4K which is pretty good all things considered. Certainly no expensive casket to buy or headstone to engrave!

  8. This has always been super important to me as a devotee of a God of the dead. I’m planning to buried in a local woodland burial ground where I helped plant trees in 2012 (boy have they grown!). I’m not going to be embalmed and am going to be buried in a cotton shroud. I’ve written a plan for my funeral to be facilitated by a friend and local celebrant and made a will including who my belongings and book rights will go to.

    • That’s excellent! Is “natural burial” a big thing in the UK? It’s only recently starting to gain ground here so there aren’t many options and one is lucky to have a place nearby like I do.

      • The first natural burial ground was created in 1993 and it’s slowly been getting more popular since. Definitely a thing and biggish for a little suburb like us to have a natural burial ground and growing.

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